Cynthia Brumfield wrote an excellent, in-depth article for CSO on recursive pollution that is well worth a read. At BIML, we still believe recursive pollution is the #1 risk for LLM technology. Recursive pollution subtle and nowhere near as sexy as prompt injection, but it leads to insidious wrongness.
BIML is proud to host Patrick McDaniel, an OG of machine learning security (prominently featured in the BIML TOP 5) and a Dean of Research at Wisconsin, for a visit to the BIML Barn. Patrick arrived in Berryville late on Thursday and was greeted with a Liberal or two on the porch. We stayed up way too late talking about AI and security.
In the morning after breakfast, we spent much of the Friday research discussion going over our soon to be released paper No Security Meter for AI. Patrick has been thinking about measuring ML behavior for a long time, and was an early proponent of a whitebox approach. He had lots of very useful feedback for us.
Does science really get done around the kitchen table? Why yes. Yes it does. (And technical talks really get delivered in the BIML Barn.)
We ventured into greater metropolitan Berryville for lunch and coffee.
And then Patrick delivered a new talk as a BIML in the Barn feature to be released on May 13th. Patrick’s talk really surprised us and in very important philosophical ways.
After the talk we shared a cocktail on the patio. Maybelline is an honorary BIML dog.
Patrick enjoys a well-deserved Lemon Mint Fizz.
And then it was off to dinner with BIML spouses at Huntōn in Leesburg.
Fantastic visit. These kinds of human interaction are absolutely critical as we construct a reasonable approach to machine learning security.
Gary McGraw, cofounder of the Berryville Institute of Machine Learning, pointed to a core gap: Today’s benchmarks tend to measure how well AI systems can perform security tasks—not how secure the systems themselves are. Companies need to keep that distinction in mind when evaluating their tools and defenses.
McGraw warned as far back as 2019 that securing machine learning systems would be “one of the defining cybersecurity struggles of the next decade.” That moment has now arrived.
“These meetings are a way to remind ourselves of the fundamentals,” he said, “as we try to define what machine learning security actually is.”
What was to be a more standard copy of the BIML risk talk, instead was transformed into a debut of BIML’s forthcoming paper No Security Meter for AI. (expected mid-May) for an audience of NIST computer scientists.
It’s always fun to debut a talk for an audience that is engaged and knowledgeable.
While we were inside the very industrial Chemistry building for a talk that was 80% zoom, it rained outside.
Well, maybe. (McGraw proposed the name which is being vetted.) We did all get together in Arlington 4.21.26 to discuss policy and AI. It was a good meeting set up by OWASP and SANS and run very professionally by Rob van der Veer.
The cool thing? BIML’s work was not only cited, but included.
The meeting setting was gorgeous.
As usual, the hall track was the best part of the entire day…especially when the hall was moved across the street to the bar.
See this coverage of the meeting: Global AI Security Standard Organizations Gather Under MOSAIC to Reduce Fragmentation, AI security leaders gather in Washington as risks mount—and Mythos raises the stakes
Decipher covered the controversy over Mythos and Glasswing in an insightful article (which featured BIML’s opinion prominently). Have a look at the article and the video attached below.
Apparently, AI was used to steal original art from an aspiring musician. This is something that eminent philosopher Dan Dennett warned us about in 2022 (see the video link at the bottom of the BIML Bibliography). Though we mostly focus on technical risks built in to ML, the risk of deep fakes is a very real one that deserves more attention.
Have you heard? The mythos model from Anthropic is so dangerously good at finding software vulnerabilities that its release must be initially limited to companies participating in the Glasswing software security project! {Oh my. Also lions and tigers and bears!}
Does that sound like a marketing ploy to you? Because it does to most expert bug finders that I know best. In fact, the software exploit community (some of whom make a very good living selling bugs to the very companies that produced them…LOL) is pretty evenly split on this issue. So what is a grownup to think?
Those of who have been around the block a few times in AI-land remember way back when Chat-GPT2 was too dangerous to release too (because it could generate fake news even faster than a political PR flak). That garnered some press and helped with the launch for sure. Well, it’s happening again…just look at the tech headlines! Go, Anthropic, go!
Fortunately, there is some balanced coverage out there adopting a thoughtful approach (thanks, Cade). Here’s what we think:
As a last thought, we’re going to appeal to the four I’s that excellent human designers are familiar with: Intuition, Insight, and Inspiration (the fourth one is the “self” kind of I). AI is great and we love it. We are really going to need lots more software architects, information architects, designers, actual building architects, and humans who know what they are doing. If you know what you’re doing, you’ll be fine. If you are simply a bullshitter, you’re toast.
Imagine that you are trying to practice good security engineering at the system level when one of your essential components is an unpredicatable black box that sometimes does the wrong thing. How do you ensure or even measure the trustworthiness of that system? That seems to be the current situation we are in with LLMs and Agentic AI.
One of the levers we are exploring is observability INSIDE the black box. SO, In the case of an LLM, that would be trying to figure out what is going on inside the Transformer. Are there circuits in the trained model that correlate with and define certain behaviors? Are there concepts in there? Can we make use of various activation patterns (and weights) or otherwise guide them from inside the network? Are there indicators of bad behavior? Can we see the “guidelines” imposed by alignment training? Are they robust? Etc.
This is what we call (for the moment anyway) “Whitebox Interpositioning” at BIML. It’s like watching your brain (and interposing inside it) while you are acting as part of a system. Maybe we can build an “Intention-ometer” or maybe not. But we are certainly moving toward “WHYness” in a WHAT machine.
This all reminds us of what happened in software security when we moved from black box monitoring and sandboxing to whitebox code analysis (static and dynamic both). Thing is, we never really got a handle on architecture, especially when it came to security…
Plenty of work to do on the raw science front…and something we want to create a coalition to approach. Toward that end, BIML recently hosted a whitebox summit with Realm Labs and Starseer. We were joined by Paul Kocher. Expect something to come of this.
Lets face it, beige has a bad name. Maybe it was the omnipresent Docker khakis of middle management 20 years ago, or maybe it was that particular shade of beige approved by the HOA; perhaps it was that “non-Presidential” suit that made President Obama look so dapper, or maybe beige is just the vanilla of colors. Then again, according to cosmologists the color of the universe itself is beige.
So when it comes to AI what, exactly, is “beigification,” and is it good or bad? Like most things, it depends on who is doing the asking.
We use the term “beigification” at BIML to signify what happens when all of the textual knowledge that humans have managed to write down and digitize gets turned into an enormous training set for LLMs. Wait. Isn’t it good to have all of the stuff wired up in one place with a nice language-based interface to chat with? Well kinda. The world training set is chock full of pollution, poison, and lots of terrible ideas…just like humanity. That is, nobody went through and cleaned out the bad stuff (not that that is even possible). So we have that to deal with. There is also lots of clueless wrongness in there, leading some people to claim that LLMs provide “mansplaining as a service.” But on average, the training set is filled with lots and lots and lots of boring everyday stuff. In fact, it’s kind of beige.
The problem is this. Your average human probably resonates with the middle of the Bell curve, because that’s precisely where most humans exist (by definition). But scientists, experts, and academics specializing in pinhead Angel counting, all exist at the edge of the Bell curve. Just for the record, crackpots, conspiracy theorists, and political morons all exist outside the middle too—just at the other end.
So, will LLMs fail to work economically? Will the AI bubble burst like so much Middle Eastern oil? We don’t think so. There are too many humans in the middle that love how they sound to themselves. LLMs are here to stay in all of their boring beige glory.
Anyway, that’s what “beigification” means to us. Feel free to steal our work.
P.S. Also see Don’t Call It ‘Intelligence’ which seems to express a similar idea, only viewed from one of the edges.